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Doesn't meet WP:ORGCRIT. Tons of sources (too many, see WP:CITEKILL) but they are primary and mostly non-independent. bonadea contributions talk 20:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Not notable. The 3rd party sources look like advertorials and press release based articles, not real coverage. MLTRock (talk) 16:20, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP because i have seen the app mentioned in most downloaded apps in india https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-downloaded_Google_Play_applications — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.240.194.224 (talk) 15:20, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Being mentioned in a Wikipedia list article does not mean it's notable, though. --bonadea contributions talk 15:30, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Did some checks but couldn't find any more sources. Non-notable. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH. --Ratekreel (talk) 06:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP the article subject is notable, i have seen multiple resources in media, and the app has more than one million downloads on playstore and appstore — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.223.148.55 (talk) 10:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2004 in Turkish television

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tagged uncited for many years and does not seem to be notable Chidgk1 (talk) 13:26, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I deproDed the page. I have seen other years taken to AfD. But why? This is a pretty standard way to approach history of television by country. Mexico has them, Korea has them, and so on. Turkey is a major country with a long history of television. What's the issue? Non-notable, how? I would !vote Keep but that would imply restoring all the other years. But I don't understand. It's very easy to source every event with books and/or news. And for general coverage, just open Yanardağoğlu, Eylem, Television in Turkey: Local Production, Transnational Expansion and Political Aspirations, Springer International Publishing, 2020; "The Transformation of the Media System in Turkey: Citizenship, Communication, and Convergence", Springer International Publishing, 2021; The Regulation of Turkish Network Industries. (2022), Springer International Publishing. A source for each and every programme broadcast is easily found. I am seriously confused.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to keep it vote keep. I don’t think that would implying restoring other years as some years in television are more notable than others. Chidgk1 (talk) 05:57, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK: Keep and restore all years. This year in Turkish television is notable and so are apparently all years I checked, given the existence of sources for individual events and about trends/years in the Turkish history of television. Also for navigation reasons.and procedural reasons; targeting one year after another to delete the whole range of articles (that precisely make sense as a whole) brick by brick is not a good idea when the general topic is notable.

some years in television are more notable than others. Maybe (I don't think so) but then, it seems you want to have ALL years of Turkish television deleted and I am very much against that idea. Is it your idea?

Another solution would be to change the approach by creating lists by decades and redirecting/merging the individual years (in)to the decades (2000s in Turkish television and so on) but I won't do it myself (as I favour individual years)-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:52, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No I have not proposed deleting all years and that is not my idea. Chidgk1 (talk) 11:25, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Very well, I had the wrong impression, my apologies. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:59, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: there are only 4 years left in the category. The ones that have been deleted lately were, if I am not mistaken, in the 2000s and 2010s The other years haven't been created yet.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:15, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sure, consider my !vote a simple/single Keep then (but restoring other years should also be done); this is part of a set and is justified in terms of navigation, that's what I mean. Notwithstanding the individual notability of this page, deleting random years one by one without considering this type of page in general or the whole is not a good approach. Also may I remind the nominator that WP:NLIST says: "Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability.". -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Overspecific page name/scope; notable events can be added to 2004 in Turkey. Geschichte (talk) 08:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I am sorry but, again, I am very confused, how is this overspecific? This is pretty standard: have a look at Category:2004 in television by country please. Again, if you think Turkey has a less substantial history of television than, say, Brazil or Japan (I don't think so), considering a different organisation and redirect years to (not-yet-existing) pages about decades might make sense, but just deleting that year for that country (although it can be easily sourced) seems extremely confusing to me. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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People's Republic of China's civilian motor vehicle license plates

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Odd fork of Vehicle registration plates of China. Another editor redirected it there, but was reverted with the (dubious, in my opinion) reason that "zh wiki has two separate articles". Most of the content here duplicates Vehicle registration plates of China and I can find no compelling reason to keep a fork. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Some contents are duplicated with Vehicle registration plates of China. Shwangtianyuan Defeat the virus together 14:52, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Kent

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Fails WP:BASIC. Lacking "significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." Sole acceptable source is from BBC Scotland Business news reporting on his appointment to lead the Scotch Whisky Association. Not sufficient to demonstrate notability as a "mention in passing (example given at BASIC is "John Smith at Big Company said..." or "Mary Jones was hired by My University")" AusLondonder (talk) 08:43, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The CMG is a high honour which isn't handed out in cornflakes packets. Only about 30-40 awarded every year in a country of 67 million people. Clearly notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:14, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As we established at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martin Shearman, honours, which are routine for British ambassadors to receive from their employer, do not eliminate the requirements for "significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." AusLondonder (talk) 12:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We established no such thing. Only a minority of diplomats or even ambassadors have high honours such as the CMG. You made a patently false claim by citing only very senior ambassadors who do have such honours and the AfD was closed before I could answer. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:02, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not false. A very large number of British ambassadors have received honours from their employer, many with fairly unremarkable careers. That doesn't override BASIC. AusLondonder (talk) 20:35, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds very much like WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Who are you to state they've had unremarkable careers? A high honour would suggest otherwise. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:28, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The only instance of IDONTLIKEIT is your approach to the requirement for significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. AusLondonder (talk) 13:53, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:BASIC after adding references which were trivial to find: WP:BEFORE exists for a reason. Jonathan A Jones (talk)

The two most recent sources you've added are primary. I actually did see the government sources before nominating but I know that per BASIC "Primary sources may be used to support content in an article, but they do not contribute toward proving the notability of a subject." AusLondonder (talk) 20:32, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I'm seeing some routine announcements about his appointments, but nothing independent, secondary, and significant. And content following "According to the official biography" is obviously not independent or secondary. Receiving an award also doesn't mean the subject is exempt from notability requirements. JoelleJay (talk) 03:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Appears to pass BASIC, see e.g. Buenos Aires Times (158 words), Nation Thailand (327 words), MercoPress (176 words), VietnamPlus (about some sort of award he received from the Vietnam government, 100 words), Press and Journal (287 words), Bangkok Post (1000+ words w/quotes), etc. Also, if everyone failing ANYBIO but meeting BASIC gets an article, and everyone meeting ANYBIO has to pass BASIC to get an article, that effectively means that ANYBIO is 100% wholly worthless. Or maybe, just maybe, there is a purpose in having such criteria, such as that categories of people winning major awards should be complete. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- A point I've made many times. If ANYBIO is routinely ignored then what on earth is the point of it? The point of it is to catch people who have had careers in unglamorous occupations but who have received high honours from their country, in recognition that, glamorous or not, they have made a significant contribution to the world. Wikipedia is not a reality TV talent contest, but a serious encyclopaedia that should cover such people. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:32, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Except WP:ANYBIO explicitly, unambiguously states "meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included." It does not in any sense override BASIC requirements. It's a guide that indicates a likelihood of notability, not a free pass. If you want that to change, feel free to propose it instead of bringing up reality television at every AfD. AusLondonder (talk) 14:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As for the sources identified, I can't see them contributing to notability. Interviews are primary sources. A brief mention of his appointment to lead the Scotch Whisky Association is not an acceptable source as I pointed out in the nomination. AusLondonder (talk) 14:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dismissing all of those sources, especially the Bangkok Post 1,300-word feature on 'The workaholic ambassador', which contains over 700 words on Kent that is not quotes, is ridiculous. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm well aware what it says. I'm pointing out that if it's sneered at whenever it's mentioned then it's utterly pointless, which suggests it's intended to be taken into consideration. What do you think it's there for precisely? Don't actually think I've mentioned reality television before! -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:29, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kalawewa Railway Station

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Non-notable station, also strongly sets off my "this is AI" senses. The glossy promotional tone screams LLM. The sole source in the article verifies nothing beyond the fact that it exists. I'd redirect this to Northern Line myself, but I'm sure that would be contested with an edit summary saying "take it to AfD", so here we are. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:28, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment, its actually on the Batticaloa line not the Northern line. Dan arndt (talk) 01:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's... rather concerning. Thanks for correcting it. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge to Batticaloa line if sources can't be found (has anyone attempted to look for sources in the local language?). Whether the article was or wasn't written by AI and/or whether it does or does not have a glossy promotional tone (I don't see it myself) are irrelevant to AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 10:38, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dan arndt was kind enough to resolve the issues with tone. Compare what it looked like when I tagged it for tone versus after Dan arndt rewrote it: [1]. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:58, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tosin Eniolorunda

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Uncertain if this subject is notable so bringing here for consensus. The claim of notability rests on the awards the subject has won, and his featuring as one of the 100 most influential Africans. To me this seems pretty flimsy but other editors may feel it’s sufficiently solid to pass. Mccapra (talk) 20:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tam Duong bus crash

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Lacks sustained coverage in secondary sources and had no lasting effects. This is a news article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:51, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Just imagine if an accident that killed 19 people that happened in the UK or USA was nominated for deletion! Clearly WP:SYSTEMIC. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:24, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2009 Espinar bus crash

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Lacks sustained coverage in secondary sources and had no lasting effects. This is a news article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:52, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Just imagine if an accident that killed 41 people that happened in the UK or USA was nominated for deletion! Clearly WP:SYSTEMIC. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:25, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep – There appears to be some in-depth continued coverage that most likely demonstrates the event's notability.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4] Aviationwikiflight (talk) 17:07, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Mal estado de vía sería causa de accidente" [Poor road conditions could cause an accident]. Diario Correo (in Spanish). 29 December 2009. Retrieved 18 October 2024.
^ "Internan en penal de Chumbivilcas a chofer que causó 42 muertes al volcar bus" [Driver who caused 42 deaths when bus overturned is held in Chumbivilcas prison]. Agencia Peruana de Noticias (in Spanish). 13 May 2010. Retrieved 18 October 2024.
^ "La tragedia que enlutó la Navidad" [The tragedy that darkened Christmas]. Diario Correo (in Spanish). 25 December 2010. Retrieved 18 October 2024.
^ "Ni empresa de transporte, ni aseguradora reparan a vï¿½ctimas de accidente | La fuga de Guapo Lindo" [Neither the transport company nor the insurance company compensates accident victims | The escape of Guapo Lindo]. El Búho (in Spanish). Retrieved 18 October 2024.

Dong Hyun Kim (businessman)

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Fails WP:BIO. The sources are more about his food chain Wasabi (restaurant) rather than significant coverage of Kim. LibStar (talk) 23:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I found three articles from major platforms mentioning about him.

https://www.ft.com/content/d633fb5e-66dd-11e2-a805-00144feab49a

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/korea-opportunities-once-asia-s-least-trendy-food-now-everyone-s-getting-in-on-the-kimchi-act-8944580.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/12/kim-dong-hyun-seoul-stylish-senior-citizens Christianjbotella12 (talk) 23:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't regard this as WP:SIGCOV. And this seems to be about a namesake photographer aged 29 in 2022 and not a restauranteur born in 1973 as detailed in this article. Ft.com is behind a pay wall so need more details to assess. LibStar (talk) 15:19, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No significant coverage about him in the sources. Ratnahastin (talk) 05:21, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yoginder Sikand

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Fails WP:GNG, Several articles authored by the subject are frequently cited as references; however, they have yet to receive significant mainstream media coverage (WP:SIGCOV). Jannatulbaqi (talk) 22:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kingsley Okonkwo

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An article about a "family life and relationship coach, TV personality, and author" sourced entirely to shady pieces. While most of the publications are reliable on their own, the pieces sourced to are either unreliable, of the subject's opinion, run of the mill coverages or vanispamcruft. It's either the subject is publishing their opinion or it's an unreliable "things you need to know about X" piece. Nothing to confer inherent notability here either. Fails WP:GNG over all. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Takayuki Fujii

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Overt failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, with no significant and independent coverage (including in the ja:wiki), and 6 games in Japan's third league being his claim to notability. Creator is globally locked. Geschichte (talk) 22:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tatsuya Suzuki (footballer, born 1988)

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Blatant and utter failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. No indication of notability anywhere. Geschichte (talk) 22:48, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Melville Jones (racing driver)

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Fails WP:GNG. Lack of WP:SIGCOV. Demt1298 (talk) 19:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, per Point 1 of WP:NMOTORSPORT. The Indianapolis 500 is the oldest and most important American auto race. Please consider the deletion discussions here, here, here, and here. These are the first four I located, and in each case the consensus has been to keep the articles of early 20th century drivers - I believe this is due to the clear notability of the event and/or the achievement of competing in it, and because of the fact that sources likely exist, but may be harder to locate and access due to the time period of their creation.

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Delete. NMOTORSPORT is subordinate to SPORTCRIT, which requires GNG be met and a source of IRS SIGCOV be cited in the article. Passing mentions with trivial details and routine event coverage do not count as SIGCOV, but that seems to be the only material that exists on this person per the (non-RS) blog post, which repeats what the official Indianapolis Speedway historian (not independent) could find on Jones: The story of MC Jones, the man from Conwy, has been morphed with Milton Jones who died 80 years ago. They share the common Welsh surname, but as resident historian Donald Davidson at the Indianapolis Speedway points out, it's a case of history not keeping up with the Joneses.

"MC Jones and Milton Jones, it has often been assumed, is the same person. MC Jones drove in the 1925 race, and his name was Melville. They are two different people," affirms Davidson from his office at the track. "There are those who have assumed it is one and the same and it isn't.

"In 1925 there was a fellow named Harold Skelly. He qualified a 'Skelly Special', which was a Fronty Ford, which means it was basically a dirt track car with a special head developed by Louis Chevrolet and Frontenac, nicknamed a 'Fronty'. As Skelly was deemed not up to the job, MC Jones stepped in, and I think most of his experience was in boat racing." That's nowhere near SIGCOV, and if that is all the official Indy 500 historian could dig up then that's very strong proof nothing further exists. JoelleJay (talk) 20:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC source has 280 words of coverage devoted to Jones – I do not see how that is not significant coverage (i.e. meets SPORTCRIT). There's an obit here, and it seems a number of other mentions from Maine papers and from when he competed at the Indy 500. If OldRacingCars.com is considered reliable you arguably have another piece of sigcov here. You could certainly write a decent bio here, and I don't see why we wouldn't want to have a potential upper-start-class bio on someone who competed in one of the most famous races ever – I don't see who would be benefited by deleting. To suggest that one can just disregard all the sub-NSPORT criteria just by saying 'fails GNG' is really ridiculous – what point is there then in having them if saying two words makes them irrelevant! I'd lean towards keeping. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:44, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Criticism of David Cross in Alvin and the Chipmunks

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Even if this topic passes WP:GNG, it would then be a classic WP:NOPAGE case. This article is largely a compilation of blog posts, online comments, and celebrity gossip reporting. There may (or, quite possibly, may not) be a place for two sentences about this to be included at David Cross, but that's it -- at most. E Eng 22:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I agree with EEng that this is mostly gossip and does not deserve its own page. I think a good solution is a sentence about the Chipwreck producer, and maybe another sentence could be added to the David Cross page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bpuddin (talk • contribs) 23:44, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as unencyclopedic gossip. Esolo5002 (talk) 03:32, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep - As the creator and major contributor to the article, I narrowly (albeit still) encourage the retainment of this page. I had originally made this article where Alvin and the Chipmunks (film)#Response towards Cross used to look like this. I moved most of that content to its own article, adding Chipwrecked content as well. I guess I underestimated WP:SIGCOV; although there is commentary of blog activity, the sources on this article are generally fine (expect maybe the ScreenRant), so verifiability issues aren't a problem. If this doesn't deserve to be its own standalone article, it should be a redirect to David_Cross#Alvin_and_the_Chipmunks. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 16:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – any particularly mainstream coverage (e.g., maybe the LA Times article cited in the article) can be addressed in another article; coverage from smaller entertainment websites is generally trivial. See also WP:NOTGOSSIP. RunningTiger123 (talk) 21:58, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

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Ranch Rush

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May not be notable; it got 3 reviews in 2009 from obscure gaming blogs, got no coverage from RS. I think it should be merged into the article on the developer. PlotinusEnjoyer (talk) 21:54, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Gamezebo and Den of Geek are reliable according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources. There's the question of whether two sources are enough (the third reference on the article is about the sequel), but these should be reliable. ObserveOwl (talk) 00:05, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Alongside the Gamezebo and Den of Geek reviews already on the article, the game also got a review from Appspy, which is also a reliable source per WP:VG/RS. I believe the game meets GNG. Waxworker (talk) 06:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Waxworker. Appspy's review is on the weaker side of significant coverage, but together with the other two detailed sources, they make it just enough for a potential suitably covered article with gameplay and reception. ObserveOwl (talk) 09:06, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per others. Weak coverage, but still enough to barely pass GNG. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:20, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw I didn't know these sources were reliable, but I see that they are. I don't know how to formally withdraw the nomination but I agree with you all. PlotinusEnjoyer (talk) 14:39, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tanieya Khanuja

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Fail GNG. Article creator has been blocked! Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 21:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Germany national football team goal records

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A blatant WP:NOTSTATS violation as an excessive listing of statistics. We do not need statistics on every single player that has ever taken a penalty for Germany, nor every single player to have scored in the final minute of a match. A shorter summary of the youngest/oldest goalscorers already exists at Germany national football team records and statistics, while hat-tricks are listed at List of Germany national football team hat-tricks. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I agree with you, the main stats article is enough is covers all the key stuff, this feels like overkill again. Govvy (talk) 09:45, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deepali Sathe

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Media sources only press release. Article creator has been blocked! Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 21:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Article does not have significant coverage to meet GNG.

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Peter Henderson (surgeon)

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No notable sources. Editor has an obvious COI. Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 21:23, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, GS citation record low and little else. Xxanthippe (talk) 04:05, 18 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Sergio Castañeda

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Only played a handful of matches in Bulgaria and nothing even close to passing WP:SPORTBASIC. The best source that I can find is Sportal, which is nowhere near enough depth to warrant his own article. Castañeda hasn't been seen since 2018 so I see little point in incubating in draft either as future notability is doubtful. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:27, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 11:21, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Raimundo Sarmento

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Article created because Jeca played one minute of international football, something that is no longer considered to be a free pass. I could find nothing better than ASEAN Football, a mere squad list mention. No realistic chance of meeting WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 11:22, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Nando (Timorese footballer)

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Nando played in one international match, and that was a mere 13 minute cameo. An international cap is no longer a free pass. My own Timorese search yielded nothing other than Tatoli, which is a passing mention. No evidence of WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:13, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gaming Benni

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Poorly sourced, and unlikely to be sourced. A draft that was copied and pasted into mainspace. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 19:06, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey! Thanks for helping out at the article! Sources are already there, also third party sources like SocialBlade, ViewStats, Media reports from different Organizations. What kind of resources do you else think of? Thanks a lot and have a nice day! 2003:D6:3F23:1200:54A4:D276:3D6E:1E93 (talk) 19:12, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete For one thing, not have the sources be absolutely unfiltered PR?! That's not how you format footnotes in any way shape or form. Subject hasn't even breathed near 20,000 subscribers and rarely updates. Nate • (chatter) 22:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - No reliable sources, no sources other than statistics. Nothing states notability. I'd even argue A7 could be applied here. Chewsterchew (talk) 02:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - No reliable sources and creating article cross wiki. İmmortalance (talk) 15:20, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No 3rd party sources describing the subject. (Same text was posted on the nlwiki btw) MLTRock (talk) 16:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: same text was also posted on the trwiki, but already deleted MLTRock (talk) 16:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Deleted on NoWiki as cross wiki spam. Znuddel (talk) 18:53, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - crappy machine translation deleted on dawiki as well. Measly 18.000 subs, nothing to see here. KnudW (talk) 20:09, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As multiple users have already stated, no sources signifying any notability. Reads way to subjective like an advertisement, and like written by a LLM ShipScrewUnscrewer (talk) 20:20, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Makito Hatanaka

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played some games in Japan's third league and 110 minutes in Singapore. I'm not very swayed by the status as a tall footballer. This is curious information that belongs in a list. Geschichte (talk) 11:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: ja.wiki article has additional references which have not been acknowledged, but should be per WP:NEXIST. Left guide (talk) 12:13, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:19, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – The article on ja.wiki is actually much more consistent, perhaps it will be possible to establish WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:40, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. As all other articles on ja:wiki, it's completely useless, with every single one of the sources being WP:PRIMARY. Geschichte (talk) 08:37, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Takahide Kishi

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Falls short of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, with a career lasting 501 minutes (not including amateur divisions). Deleted before. Geschichte (talk) 11:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: ja.wiki article has additional references which have not been acknowledged, but should be per WP:NEXIST. Left guide (talk) 12:11, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, I noticed the same thing, the sources in the Japanese article seem consistent. Svartner (talk) 12:44, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Consistent", what does that mean? The Ja:wiki have six sources, published by: Vissel Kobe, Vissel Kobe, FC Osaka, FC Osaka, Twitter, Vissel Kobe. Nothing even worth considering. Geschichte (talk) 08:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:19, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - the only independent source that I can find on him is Gekisaka, which mentions him once. The ja.wiki sources don't impress me at all as they are not independent of Kishi. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:35, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Haykakan Par

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I struggled to find sources as firstly there seems to be a song or dance of the same name and secondly the article does not say what the Turkish name is. I found a couple of mentions in Google Scholar but not enough to show notability. I don’t know that part of Turkey so happy to be proved wrong if you know better Chidgk1 (talk) 14:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep- Leaning towards keep because I believe this is more of a transliteration issue. The mountain range is easily confusable with the phrase "Armenian dance". The Armenian translation of Հայկական Պար Լեռներ did yield some results (129,000 on google). It may go by other names such as "Atsptkunq", "Sukavet" or "Bardoghi" according to this [2]. This source also refers to the mountains as "Atsptkunq" and has more precise geographic location confirming the mountain range is near the Araxes river. This source again mentions "Atsptkunq" and the fact that they were renamed "Aghre Dagh" by Turkish inhabitants. In any case, this mountain range does exist, its more so deciphering the correct name of it in Armenian and Turkish. If we can find some native speakers, I'm sure they could sift through the sources and improve the article. Archives908 (talk) 23:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Archives908 I am not a native speaker of Turkish but are you sure that "Aghre Dagh" is the name in Turkish? Because I have not yet managed to find that on a map and surely if it was a range the second word would be “Dağlar” wouldn’t it? I don’t know what a ridge is in Turkish.

I am a native speaker of English and if it was a ridge I would have thought it would be called “Something Ridge” in English. But is it a ridge do you know? Certainly we don’t call it “Atsptkunq” as we cannot pronounce that!

Also the text is confusing because Mt Ararat is east of the source of the Aras River not west.

I cannot understand the map in the second cite - are you able to link to a map which shows it? Chidgk1 (talk) 17:58, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah I now suspect that the name in English is Aras Mountains, for which we already have an article. So perhaps this article should be merged into that one or redirected? @North8000: - why do you think they may be different? Chidgk1 (talk) 18:07, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not a native speaker of Turkish either. That's why I said in my comment above, "If we can find some native speakers, I'm sure they could sift through the sources and improve the article". Also, just because you may not be able to pronounce certain words, it does not mean that the range isn't called by that name. There are tens of thousands of articles on English Wikipedia with interesting names, most of which, may be hard to pronounce for native English speakers. But that is not justification enough to delete such articles. Unfortunately, I have nothing more to offer this conversation. I was able to find alternate names of the range, now its up to someone who speaks native Armenian and/or Turkish to help us verify the WP:RS we have. I still maintain my Keep vote on the basis that 1) the range exists 2) this is most likely a matter of transliteration 3) there are sources for these names out there, we just need help deciphering them. Cheers, Archives908 (talk) 22:57, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Atsptkunq" is not merely hard to pronounce for a native English speaker, it is impossible! I just asked a native Turkish speaker and she had no idea how to pronounce it either. So I am sure that is not the name in English or Turkish. We already have an article for what you call Sukavet in Armenian namely Mount Kösedağ (Ağrı). We also have Mount Zor but that does not exist in other language Wikipedias so I don’t know what that is called in Armenian. I have asked for help from Wikiproject Mountains because as far as I know Wikiproject Turkey is not very active. Chidgk1 (talk) 18:17, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, your "friend who speaks Turkish" does not constitute WP:RS. Again, Atsptkunq is probably a transliteration of the Armenian or Turkish word. The English name may not even be 100% accurate if there was translations errors. I used Google translate, and I am unsure of the accuracy of it. However, I found about four names in total for this range. That is why we need editors who can read Armenian/Turkish fluently to sift through each of the English names AND their Armenian/Turkish translations to cross-check and verify the correct name of the range -or- to verify if the range already belongs to a another range (ideally, with RS to back it up). Since neither of us are fluent in these languages, its unwise for us to determine with certainty that this range does not exist by any of these names. Archives908 (talk) 00:43, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I was pinged presumably because I raised the concern about a possible duplicate article when doing the NPP review on Aras Mountains. I've been off the grid on a trip and now am only about 5% back on the grid for the next two days. I'd be happy to work on helping figure this this out from a geographic standpoint (and it seems like that should be possible) but could only do that starting 2 days from now. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 02:58, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that is why I pinged you. No rush as not a fast moving subject. I should also have pinged @Riehaiqu: who wrote that Aras Mountains and Haykakan Par are the same thing. If that is correct then an alternative to deletion would be to merge this article into Aras Mountains. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:08, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Susan Gundunas

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Tagged for notability since 2011. Both sources lack independence from the subject. The singer doesn't appear to have performed with any major opera companies or theaters; performing largely at third and fourth tier minor organizations. Not likely to pass WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 18:08, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Article does not have significant coverage to meet GNG.

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Brooke Schofield

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Same issues as the podcast even if it's not quite as bad. Coverage is trivial and routine, there is nothing that meets all 4 criteria (independent, secondary, in-depth, reliable). Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: This Independent article, this Business Insider article, this PinkNews article, this BuzzFeed News article, and this Press & Sun-Bulletin article—which are all used as sources in the article—all seem to meet the criteria perfectly well. benǝʇᴉɯ 01:16, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which criteria would you be using that the PinkNews article meets, Benmite? There's quotes from Schofield in there but virtually nothing about her. Alpha3031 (t • c) 04:38, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would honestly say that the PinkNews article probably meets all of the criteria. It's clearly independent from Schofield, it's a secondary source for what it's talking about (her relationship with Matt Rife), it's known for being reliable, and it's relatively in-depth about ~~the relationship between them~~ the claims she makes about her relationship with Rife even if most of what it says specifically about her is that she's a YouTuber, hosts the Cancelled podcast, and, according to her, "has an 'outie' vagina". benǝʇᴉɯ 02:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure you don't mean independent instead of secondary? Secondary means it contains analytic or evaluative claims on the primary sources (i.e. the Schofield quotes). Alpha3031 (t • c) 06:00, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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232d Medical Battalion

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Unsourced article that got moved back from draftspace. A WP:BEFORE search got mostly press releases. A subject specific notability guideline doesn't exist for military units/formations, and the article seems to not fulfill our general notability guidelines. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 13:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. We generally keep articles on battalion-sized units per WP:MILUNIT. But move to 232nd Medical Battalion per norm. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Error message comes up on this AFD, as well "Do not use {{Draft article}} in mainspace". — Maile (talk) 21:26, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, — Maile ,

I don't see any problems with this AFD or the article and I don't know what draft article you are referring to. I've put "nowiki" tags around this template because it is interfering with discussion here. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I just got that message again by trying to add. See first sentence of this nomination, "Unsourced article that got moved back from draftspace." But if no one else gets that, maybe I'll just avoid this article. — Maile (talk) 23:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Maile66 Hate to say this, but I'm not seeing any error messages, either. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 00:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shirley Clelland

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She passes WP:NATH with seventh place in pentathlon at the 1970 Commonwealth Games but fails GNG. A search through the British Newspaper Archives just found brief mentions and sporting results. Dougal18 (talk) 14:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, found several newspaper sources in just the first few pages: "BRILLIANT FUTURE FOR SHIRLEY BEGAN 'AS A BIT OF FUN'". Leicester Chronicle. 29 May 1970. p. 28. Retrieved 11 Oct 2024. "PENTATHLON WIN FOR SHIRLEY CLELLAND". Leicester Mercury. 24 Aug 1970. p. 22. Retrieved 11 Oct 2024. "SHIRLEY CLELLAND WINS TWO EVENTS". Leicester Mercury. 23 Sep 1968. p. 24. Retrieved 11 Oct 2024.

I find that the NATH guideline is pretty conservative compared to the others at NSPORT, so it's worth trying multiple search engines if you can't find sources at one. For example NATH says that 4th-placers at the Olympics can't necessarily be presumed to have coverage, but I've yet to find one without GNG sources after searching so far. --Habst (talk) 12:29, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Sources above from the newspaper archive are fine, the first two are better than the third. Should have enough for notability Oaktree b (talk) 22:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Hart (wrestler)

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No notable wrestler. Just worked on an independent level. The article has sources, most of them are WP:ROUTINE results, others passing mentions. Looking for sources, he only has passing mentions on a few events 1 HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:42, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Passes GNG with 1, 2, 3, and 4.★Trekker (talk) 15:46, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Michal Malák

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Redirect to Slovakia at the 2010 Winter Olympics#Cross-country skiing because I could not find any in-depth coverage of this athlete to meet WP:GNG. Corresponding article on Slovak Wikipedia is likewise an unsourced dump. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:53, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - If you look at his record on the International Ski Federation (FIS) website which is linked in his article, Malak competed in the 2010 Winter Olympics only, not the 2018 Winter Olympics. The FIS database is among the best kept athlete recording from the 1924 Winter Olympics onward. Chris (talk) 16:45, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Database sources don't comply the whole notability guideline (GNG). Following WP:NSPORTS2022, participation in tournaments is no longer considered saved from deletion. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:45, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Searching through sport.sk archives all I could find were a blurb on the Olympics, brief results/participation announcements, and the subject talking about himself. Nothing but stats from ifortuna.sk, nike.sk; zero hits from tipsport.sk; and stats hits for a different Michal Malák on hokejportal.net. JoelleJay (talk) 02:07, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Reel Tight

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Most definitely fails WP:GNG TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 16:34, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and merge text from Back to the Real. Caro7200 (talk) 18:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What exactly makes it notable though? Looking at the sources for the other page, half of the sources appear to be dead, one is just a wikipedia self citation, and one simply just confirms that the album exists. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:31, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hosagavi

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This has been unreferenced for years, and I couldn't find sources to add which would back up this information and show this meets WP:NPLACE / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 17:30, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, per nom. -Samoht27 (talk) 20:16, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:GEOLAND. A pretty substantial and clearly recognised settlement. Poor article, but WP:STUB. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:35, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hamilton International Film Festival

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Article about a smalltown film festival, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing inclusion criteria for film festivals. As always, film festivals are not "inherently" notable just for existing, and have to be shown to have reliable source coverage to pass WP:GNG and WP:NORG -- but this is referenced to just one hit of purely local coverage and two primary sources that aren't support for notability at all, and a Google search mostly found glancing namechecks of this in coverage of films or filmmakers rather than coverage about this.
There's also an ambiguity problem here, as there's a Canadian film festival (without an article yet) that's officially just the "Hamilton Film Festival" but does sometimes get mistakenly called the "Hamilton International Film Festival" -- and a significant number of the hits in the Google search meant the Canadian one and were thus irrelevant here. I also had to unlink almost every single inbound wikilink to this article (except the disambiguatory hatnote in New Zealand's Hamilton Underground Film Festival, which is now the only inbound left), because every single actor or film that was linking here as a "notable because awards" play was referenced to a source that explicitly verified that the Canadian one was the intended topic.
Since I'm still waiting for my restored access to Newspapers.com, I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody with better access to other databases of archived US media coverage than I've got (or unbroken Newspapers.com) can find more than I was able to find on Google, but nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt it from having to be referenced better than this. Bearcat (talk) 16:01, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: has received independent coverage. Sources include : https://www.wktv.com/news/entertainment/hamilton-international-film-festival-this-week/article_6fa70b8c-490d-11ef-b1e6-db98625d17b7.html https://www.oneidadispatch.com/2018/07/30/your-neighbor-hamilton-natives-bring-hollywood-to-madison-county-with-film-festival/ https://eu.uticaod.com/story/mid-york-weekly/2012/09/19/film-festival-gives-back-to/41647345007/ https://www.syracuse.com/news/2011/01/sons_to_honor_dads_amazing_col.html. A DISAMB page can be created to mention 3 festivals with this name exist. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 00:48, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We would need to see more than just four hits of purely local coverage to establish notability here. Bearcat (talk) 00:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete A small but heartfelt festival in a small town. Of the 4 sources cited by User:Mushy Yank, #1 is very brief, I couldn't access #2, #3 & #4 are "human interest" stories about the local brothers who founded the festival, but say little about the festival itself. I did finally find a film listing for 2024, and nearly all are short films. There are two full length documentaries but only one even had an entry in IMDB, with very little info, and it had nothing in a web search (except its own web site). I found announcements for the festival in local media (e.g. Colgate college newsletter, Madison County tourism). That's all. Lamona (talk) 04:15, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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FactGrid

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I find no independent coverage of this database. It does appear useful, but appears to be too soon to be a notable product. A BEFORE shows it's in use and blurbs about how the tool works, but it's from the tool itself.

While I would be fine with a redirect to University_of_Erfurt#University_projects, I don't think it's DUE there, and that has already been contested so merits more discussion. Star Mississippi 17:42, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep it, FactGrid was and is in a way part the official roll out of Wikibase as a common database software. The project was an official collaboration between Wikimedia and the University of Erfurt in 2018, and it is now probably the biggest Wikibase community outside Wikidata. The integration into Germany's National Research Data Infrastructure in 2023 has been the biggest move towards the institutionalization of the database. The platform is now an official recommendation for historical projects to use in Germany. It has projects in Berkeley, Barcelona, Budapest and Paris - with a 1 Million database objects and projects that participate with budgets up to € 900.000 it should no longer be a small website. --Olaf Simons (talk) 08:16, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://blog.wikimedia.de/2018/08/31/many-faces-of-wikibase-die-geschichte-der-illuminaten-als-datenbank-erschliessen/

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Ah. I was the one who originally WP:BLARed the article, and I admit I probably should have responded to the contesting of the redirection and maybe dropped a note or something, but I've essentially treated it as a contested PROD and did not follow up due to personal reasons. I had more or less forgotten about it by the time I had more time. I do stand by my original assessment, and still believe a redirect is the most appropriate option. While there are some sources, the depth of coverage in independent reliable sources (reliable in a general context) is highly limited, and I do not believe it would be possible to write a standalone article of any length from mostly those sources. In fact, with the state of available sources, I don't believe we would be able to expand much more than maybe 2 or 3 times the current text at University_of_Erfurt#University_projects. While that would be 10% of the current article, I do not believe that would be excessive to the point of being proscribed by WP:DUE, especially if other parts are also expanded. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:36, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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April Rose Haydock

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This article presents a number of issues. Firstly, it was originally created by a connected contributor (Wickedmagpie is the same name as a production company, Wicked Magpie productions, who worked with the subject on a local Chicago TV show she apparently presented). Secondly, the article contains unverifiable information, most notably her last name "Haydock" (I can find nothing whatsoever that mentions this as her name). Third, the article subject fails WP:BIO. The article as it stood a few minutes ago was puffed up with bare URLs to websites with no mention of her, the link in the article to Fox Sports is dead and I can find no evidence of it existing online. The link that purports to be to Men's Health is archived, but Internet Archive keeps timing out... additionally, I'm pretty certain www.mh.co.za is not the official Men's Health domain. I'm not really sure what is going on here. She is a real person, but I'm not sure this article is presented with verifiable facts. Even if the Men's Health link was correct, the title seems to indicate it was written by the subject herself, making it a Primary source. My WP:BEFORE has turned up no reliable sources. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 18:05, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Fails WP:ENTERTAINER. Her talent seems to be her physical assets. Her roles in listed film and television appearances don't seem to be more than a walk-on. Listed as #82 on a list of the world's most beautiful women puts her pretty far down on the list. — Maile (talk) 20:13, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: This is about all I can find [3], doesn't strike me as a RS. I don't see anything else, there are only 4 links, all to this site. Oaktree b (talk) 22:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Asteria de Sa

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Fails GNG. No Sources. Wikibear47 (talk) 17:20, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Delete - Hoax. Searching the name gives me zero GHits. The first source in the article does not appear to exist and the second does not mention the subject at all. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 18:52, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: It doesn't seem like a hoax to me, but it doesn't meet the GNG or even NATHLETE. . — Saqib (talk I contribs) 07:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I hesitate to use the H word but I can't find anything about this. There are two references provided:

1. Fifty years ago in Wellesley Townsman Cathy Brauner. 2011 Retrieved 01 January 2015

2. Asteria de Sa, "Memories of my golden years of athletics," St. Joseph's Convent School Alumni Karachi 1997

The first reference seems to be about this article which is about the town of Wellesley, Massachusetts, seemingly completely unrelated? The second reference is just an unlinked book or essay title, and searching for that title on Google or newspapers.com yields no results. The article creator User:Rzafar has not edited since 2018. The lede says "She was the first national champion in long jump" and the body mentions Karachi, so maybe one place to look would be a results archive for the Pakistani Athletics Championships in 1948 when it was founded? --Habst (talk) 20:40, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Doesn't meet the GNG.--Gul Butt (talk) 22:39, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arabian Sea Country Club

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Non-notable place. No reliable sources. Just a golf course. Wikibear47 (talk) 16:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - No RS found on news search.--Gul Butt (talk) 22:34, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Angel home video releases

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Fails WP:NLIST. Home video releases of Angel are already covered in each of the season articles, see for example: Angel season 4#DVD release. Only references of note are short news announcements by TVShowsOnDVD.com ([4], [5]), a source of questionable reliability.

There are some articles I found about the streaming versions: [6], [7]. Those can fit quite easily to the home video sections on the season articles. Still, I don't think those sources are enough to meet notability. Mika1h (talk) 16:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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In principle, there's no reason the video release elements from other articles can't be put together in a list like this. In practice... why bother? In a substantially streaming world, these lists are less important than they used to be. I would actually recommend if we want to clean up Angel articles, they be un-redirected and referenced. Like many older television shows, references are print, not as much digital, so it's non-trivial to demonstrate notability, even when it clearly exists. Jclemens (talk) 17:58, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:NOTCATALOGUE same reasons as per 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 and many many more. Ajf773 (talk) 09:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was ‎ speedy/snow keep, withdrawn by nominator. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:52, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Killing of Yahya Sinwar

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A POV fork that violates WP:BLP by describing as "fact" a presumed death of a living person. If Sinwar was really killed, then a sentence or two would be more enough in his BLP. M.Bitton (talk) 16:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bro. Israel Foreign Minister release minutes ago just confirmed the death: [8] - “The master murderer Yahya Sinwar, who is responsible for the massacre and atrocities of October 7, was killed today by IDF soldiers.” Very much a failed WP:RUSH deletion attempt… The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 16:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1) That's a claim by an entity that has zero credibility. 2) it doesn't address the issues that I raised. M.Bitton (talk) 16:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As much as the IDF shouldn't be taken as an RS, almost all (if not all) of their claims of assasinating leaders were always correct Abo Yemen ✉ 16:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~So there is an agenda behind the suggestion of of deletion not from objective reasons. 2A02:14F:1F5:48DA:31B7:D9D7:C59A:2323 (talk) 16:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)~~[reply]

I'm curious on what the criterion would be: while the Israeli Government is obviously not an RS, if they were to announce that a DNA match was made -- would this AfD be retracted or would that need to wait a Hamas communiqué? NAADAAN (talk) 16:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This article seems rushed. Sensitive issues like these require careful consideration and patience. simply WP:TOOSOON, Thank you. Jannatulbaqi (talk) 16:47, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning keep: I agree that the article was made prematurely but Yedioth Ahronoth claimed there was a dental match with the forensic report published on Channel 12. While there's still room for doubt, by law of averages you'd expect he'd be dead especially considering the pictures of Sinwar shown on Channel 12. Perhaps rename to "Alleged killing of Yahya Sinwar" until Hamas releases something announcing his "martyrdom". NAADAAN (talk) 16:47, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep has already been tentatively confirmed and will be further confirmed in the next few hours. By the end of this discussion, his death will be a fully confirmed fact. Dan the Animator 16:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even if confirmed, would that justify a dedicated article? M.Bitton (talk) 16:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you not hear yourself right now? How many articles are covering the “unconfirmed” and/or “confirmed” death? Checks Google, easily…100+? The answer is yes. I really suggest withdrawing this AFD before it turns into more of a, forgive my French, a shit-show, than it already is. You are a good editor, but this is not the hill to stand and/or “die” on, if you know what I mean. I was once on this type of hill when the war first broke out (starting one of the longest-running RFC’s in Wikipedia history)…I conceded afterwards. As a long-time editor to another long-time editor, don’t die on this hill when it involves anything “Rushed”. Wait a few days and then look at it again. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 16:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait a few days and then look at it again that's what they say about notability, though that involves years, not days. M.Bitton (talk) 17:09, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was about to trout WeatherWriter but I have changed my mind Abo Yemen ✉ 17:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The strike that killed Nasrallah and the killing of Haniyeh has an article so... yes -- even more so considering the year-long manhunt that Israel led against Sinwar. NAADAAN (talk) 17:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The Jerusalem Post has a report [9] that the Israeli foreign minister has confirmed Sinwar's death. Thus I believe it is premature to delete this article at this time, and clearly it is a notable event of great significance if he is indeed dead, which appears to be the case. Coretheapple (talk) 17:02, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IDF and Shin Bet has now confirmed the death of Sinwar. NAADAAN (talk) 17:06, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Wall Street Journal: https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-says-it-is-investigating-if-it-killed-hamas-chief-sinwar-98b5e34b Coretheapple (talk) 17:08, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep TOOSOON to delete. He is confirmed dead through DNA analysis. This AfD is premature, getting ahead of events. There might be a case for merge, but give the article time to develop, -- GreenC 17:06, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Yahya Sinwar. It's not clear why all this information can't be covered at the main article. The main article is ~3200 words meaning it is not WP:TOOBIG.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 17:09, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep TOOSOON to delete. With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 17:10, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The IDF just eliminated the de facto leader of Gaza. Absolute keep. Edelsmann (talk) 17:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning keep as well. While this is certainly a recent event, a quick Google search shows me enough reliable sources. But if WP:TOO SOON trumps Google, then so it be. Babysharkboss2!! ^{(I spread pro-Weezer propaganda)} 17:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Seems like he's confirmed to be dead now (here and other links above). Procyon117 (talk) 17:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. A highly notable event covered by a significant number of RS. GhostOfNoMan 17:13, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, it's now treated as confirmed as least by a bunch of live blogs (BBC, CNN, WaPo, etc). I would have ideally waited for a couple more authoritative sources, but if we delete now based on that, it's likely that this will be recreated within a matter of minutes or hours. Similarly it could go in Yahya Sinwar for now, but it seems very likely that we'll end up with a dedicated article as more reliable sources cover this in more depth (in the coming hours), so it doesn't seem productive to merge and refork later. — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 17:16, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Israel confirmed his death. ImYourTurboLover (talk) 17:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now - What we know for sure is that there are many articles reporting this. Our coverage should appropriately note that (and does, through use of attribution). While I would agree the article was premature (tbh, as is this AfD), if it wasn't created by the current creator somebody else would have anyways, as is the way of Wikipedia. It would be nice for us to slow down, but that's okay - if all the other articles reporting this death are also wrong, then we can be wrong too, at which point we can delete the article. As long as we are careful not to declare Sinwar as dead without suitable attribution, it seems reasonable of us to report on the assumptions our WP:RS are also reporting on. ASUKITE 17:19, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per WP:TOOSOON. Achmad Rachmani (talk) 17:25, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as notable enough--Noel baran (talk) 17:27, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Already confirmed by BBC (https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cy94zdd0nxlt) Emigdioofmiami (talk) 17:33, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Confirmed by BBC, CNBC, The Washington Post, etc. (https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cy94zdd0nxlt) Thegreatrebellion (talk) 17:38, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Its creation may have been ahead of the curve, but RS have caught up. ~ HAL333 17:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Possibly created too fast but this is where we are: He's dead. The manner of his death is a major story and an important event in the current conflict. Notability is ridiculously high. Suggest this be closed as snow keep.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:41, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Major event. Plenty of coverage worldwide. Edwardx (talk) 17:48, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Like others said, it was made too quickly, but it is confirmed he is dead. Given his importance to ongoing world politics, a page for his death is appropriate. SteelersDiclonious (talk) 17:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Catherine Naglestad

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Article is written like a resume. Both sources used lack independence. One is written by her paid talent management, and the other is an interview from the website of her employer. Not clear the subject meets GNG as the article has zero independent sources with significant coverage. 4meter4 (talk) 15:28, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Fails WP:SINGER. — Maile (talk) 18:41, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Türkiye Top 20

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Although this article is rated highly important for Wikiproject Turkey no one has cited it despite it being tagged for a long time and me asking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Turkey#Articles_without_any_cites_at_all As the talk page complains of false information maybe it should simply be deleted unless anyone is interested in fixing it? Chidgk1 (talk) 15:18, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, appears to fail WP:GNG. Mach61 16:32, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Turkish_music_charts: Not notable on its own, I could only find passing mentions like this. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 22:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A sourceless list for music not even originating in its country of origin, and definitely likely book-cooked and influenced by outside sources. Nate • (chatter) 22:38, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TECO Electric and Machinery

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I believe fits the criteria to be deleted for multiple issues - primarily notability based on WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:NOTADVERT. I made an effort to find references and could only find primary sources. Se7enNationArmy2024 (talk) 15:03, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am against deleting this article. I have just updated the "External links" section. This is a Taiwan company doing business worldwide, so as the descriptions are detailed in its Chinese page, its Enlish page is brief. It must, however, is needed in English for people in other countries. In Wikipedia, don't be a "deletioniist", but be an "encourager" to let other people to participate in update, in order to make a "weak" article a better article. --- By Yoshi Canopus (talk) 01:09, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scars to Prove It

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Fails WP:NOTABILITY requirements, specifically WP:NMUSIC; no WP:SIGCOV. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - User:Bastun has nominated nine Remedy Drive albums for deletion, all with the same non-descriptive rationale copy/pasted into each: "Fails WP:NOTABILITY requirements, specifically WP:NMUSIC; no WP:SIGCOV." (The first nomination has slightly different syntax.) There is no evidence that a WP:BEFORE search, specific to each album, was done before this mass copy/paste operation. Some of the album articles have citations to reliable sources in the Christian music media, though others could be redirected to the band's article. That's already more variable evidence then given in these mass nominations. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:29, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reply - not sure what you mean by "non-descriptive"? It's accurate. The albums have all failed to chart, and do not meet any criteria listed in WP:NALBUM (and I did not nominate articles by the band which had charted). Nor do they satisfy WP:SIGCOV - significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Passing mention in genre music reviews was all I could find when doing WP:BEFORE, and that doesn't qualify. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:45, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep seems good enough. Babysharkboss2!! ^{(I spread pro-Weezer propaganda)} 13:50, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vanessa Grellet

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No significant coverage in secondary, independent sources outside of all the crypto churnalism. Accomplished businesswoman and executive, but there's nothing much of note (awards, research, influence, founding of a company). Mooonswimmer 16:39, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello and thank you for your feedback.

I am quite surprised by this outcome, all the sources were found on Google, the most important ones in Google News. And I just found a new source on Forbes: https://www.forbes.fr/technologie/etat-des-lieux-des-nft-au-paris-blockchain-week-summit

Vanessa Grellet has appeared in 3 notable French media: La Tribune, BFM Business, and Le Monde Informatique, as well as in the Wall Street Journal and Forbes. She has also contributed to a paper for the World Economic Forum. I thought that these were notable primary and secondary independent sources. Your help would be appreciated in order to improve the article. Crystalcoin (talk) 21:53, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Forbes source you linked to has only one mention of Vanessa Grellet. Translated to English:

Between pure speculation and truly disruptive technology, NFTs appeal to a wide range of profiles. The “NFT Panel: How NFT funds are taking advantage of an emerging market” conference presented how NFT funds are approaching this market. Renowned panelists Julien Bouteloup, founder Blackpool Finance, James WO, CEO-founder DFG, Drew Austin, Redbeard Ventures and Vanessa Grellet, Coinfound explained their interest in these technologies.

Although it's a generally reliable source when the articles are written by Forbes staff, that is far from significant coverage, which is necessary to demonstrate the notability of a subject. It's a passing mention. It doesn't develop on why Grellet is a renowned panelist. Do you have any sources covering her or her work in-depth? That's what would help demonstrate that she is indeed notable. We'd need at least two or three sources. Mooonswimmer 22:49, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, thanks for your answer. Vanessa Grellet contributed to a World Economic Forum paper in 2021.

I don't think this organization would have invited her if she wasn't a renowned panelist.

https://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_Digital_Currency_Governance_Consortium_2021.pdf

She has two other interviews in the main economical medias in France: in La Tribune (https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/banques-finance/les-bourses-traditionnelles-vont-s-interesser-aux-crypto-actifs-et-vice-versa-vanessa-grellet-consensys-817978.html) and a video one at the Paris Blockchain Week with BFM TV (https://www.bfmtv.com/economie/replay-emissions/tech-and-co/vanessa-grellet-coinfund-coinfund-est-un-fonds-d-investissement-specialise-dans-le-web3-12-04_VN-202204120691.html), one of the biggest blockchain events in Europe. Those are not PR for sure, I can agree that the one on Le Monde Informatique looks more like a PR (https://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actualites/lire-aglae-ventures-va-lancer-un-fonds-de-100-meteuro-dedie-au-web3-87642.html).

She is also mentioned in The Wall Street Journal :

https://www.wsj.com/articles/arche-capital-to-raise-100-million-debut-fund-amid-crypto-comeback-b7713428 Crystalcoin (talk) 09:41, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Source 2 is a RS, but it's an interview with this person where they give advice on financial subjects. Rest of the sourcing is PR items for this or that financial venture. Oaktree b (talk) 01:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Just not enough coverage to show notability. A French Gsearch limited to .fr sites [10] only brings up PR items. There isn't enough to show notability. She's mentioned here [11], but it's only a brief paragraph discussing other things. Oaktree b (talk) 01:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
French wiki article has been tagged for promotion and tagged for notability concerns, but they let it run for a year before discussing deletion (which is, strange, but their house, their rules). Sources in the French article are largely these PR items or similar to those used in the En wiki article. I do find it odd that there are no Fr sources used on the Fr wiki article, about a person from France. Oaktree b (talk) 01:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but what you are saying is not true.

In the French Google search, the first link is her profile on the French government's public investment bank called BPI (Banque Publique d'Investissement): https://big.bpifrance.fr/fr/speaker/65009755-7355-ef11-991a-6045bd954cb8/vanessa-grellet

On page 2, there is also on page an official paper from the French Ministry of Economy in collaboration with the French Tech mentioning Vanessa Grellet: https://www.tresor.economie.gouv.fr/Articles/71361bf0-8d26-443c-9572-5c53955c1aa9/files/564c4897-e4b9-44f1-938a-93d7e3b016f2

Again, why would the French Government ask a non-relevant person to talk about a specific subject? Crystalcoin (talk) 09:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We need sources that talk about her; she is important but you need sourcing. Neither of these is about her, they just confirm she appeared at xyz event. Oaktree b (talk) 12:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your answer, I've found a few reliable sources like Forbes and the Financial Times and I have edited the article. Let me know if you see any other improvement. Crystalcoin (talk) 17:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you asilvering,

Vanessa Grellet is an active actor in the sphere of crypto.

She has been interviewed by major economical media and she is an experienced panelist.

You will find in the sources:

- is in the top 100 most influential people in crypto in 2022, Cointelegraph

- has been interviewed by top French economical media: BFM Business and La Tribune

- is top speaker at blockchain conferences: Consensus and Paris Blockchain Week Summit, Forbes

- founded her own company, The Wall Street Journal, after managing the crypto fund of the world's "new" richest man, Financial Times

- co-founded with other S&P 500 companies the Enterprise Ethereum Alliance, now a board member

- has collaborated with the World Economic Forum and The Massachusetts Institute of Technology Crystalcoin (talk) 21:52, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. An apparently WP:PROMO bio from a single-purpose account. The sources do not support notability under WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. Most are interviews (or other primary sources like official bios and event agendas) or trivial mentions. CoinTelegraph is of questionable reliablity per WP:RSN and this article is WP:SIGCOV of Consensys, not Grellet. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:18, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Imago Amor

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Fails WP:NOTABILITY requirements, specifically WP:NMUSIC; no WP:SIGCOV. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:58, 17 October 2024 (UTC) Add: The albums by Remedy Drive that I have nominated for deletion all failed to chart, and do not meet any criteria listed in WP:NALBUM (and I did not nominate articles by the band which had charted). Nor do they satisfy WP:SIGCOV - significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Passing mention in genre music reviews was all I could find when doing WP:BEFORE, and that doesn't qualify. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Living Room Anthology, Vol. 1

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Fails WP:NOTABILITY requirements, specifically WP:NMUSIC; no WP:SIGCOV. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) Add: The albums by Remedy Drive that I have nominated for deletion all failed to chart, and do not meet any criteria listed in WP:NALBUM (and I did not nominate articles by the band which had charted). Nor do they satisfy WP:SIGCOV - significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Passing mention in genre music reviews was all I could find when doing WP:BEFORE, and that doesn't qualify. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The North Star (album)

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Fails WP:NOTABILITY requirements, specifically WP:NMUSIC; no WP:SIGCOV. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) Add: The albums by Remedy Drive that I have nominated for deletion all failed to chart, and do not meet any criteria listed in WP:NALBUM (and I did not nominate articles by the band which had charted). Nor do they satisfy WP:SIGCOV - significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Passing mention in genre music reviews was all I could find when doing WP:BEFORE, and that doesn't qualify. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hope's Not Giving Up

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Fails WP:NOTABILITY requirements, specifically WP:NMUSIC; no WP:SIGCOV. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:56, 17 October 2024 (UTC) Add: The albums by Remedy Drive that I have nominated for deletion all failed to chart, and do not meet any criteria listed in WP:NALBUM (and I did not nominate articles by the band which had charted). Nor do they satisfy WP:SIGCOV - significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Passing mention in genre music reviews was all I could find when doing WP:BEFORE, and that doesn't qualify. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Light Makes a Way

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Fails WP:NOTABILITY requirements, specifically WP:NMUSIC; no WP:SIGCOV. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC) Add: The albums by Remedy Drive that I have nominated for deletion all failed to chart, and do not meet any criteria listed in WP:NALBUM (and I did not nominate articles by the band which had charted). Nor do they satisfy WP:SIGCOV - significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Passing mention in genre music reviews was all I could find when doing WP:BEFORE, and that doesn't qualify. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:57, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Magnify (Remedy Drive album)

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Fails WP:NOTABILITY requirements, specifically WP:NMUSIC; no WP:SIGCOV. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC) Add: The albums by Remedy Drive that I have nominated for deletion all failed to chart, and do not meet any criteria listed in WP:NALBUM (and I did not nominate articles by the band which had charted). Nor do they satisfy WP:SIGCOV - significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Passing mention in genre music reviews was all I could find when doing WP:BEFORE, and that doesn't qualify. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:58, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tsestos

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Tagged uncited in 2009. I could not find good enough sources to show it to be notable Chidgk1 (talk) 14:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I don't find anything about a dance. This mentions a basket [12]. Tagged for over a decade and no one's worked on it, delete it and be done with it. Oaktree b (talk) 14:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge in Zonaradiko. The dance is a variation of zonaradikos as written in the zonaradiko article and as mentions from sources here and here Cestos: It is known by various names denoting the way the dancers are caught (vivacious), the way they dance it (douzkos = white layered), or cestos (short and quick steps). Duzkos and cestos are danced by men. The Cestu form is also considered a war dance, for the steps of the dance and the formation in a straight line.google translate LefterDalaka (talk) 17:04, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Noah Kudic

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Repeatedly created and declined, fails WP:GNG and not sure that being in a youth league is enough for WP:NSPORT. Theroadislong (talk) 14:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 19:33, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The creator has been fairly uncooperative so far, despite several people having tried to explain why this is not a viable Wikipedia article as it stands. Geschichte (talk) 20:30, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:TOSOON. Can't find any decent coverage. /Julle (talk) 00:42, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - not even close to meeting GNG Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 07:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Was planning nominate it myself after my CSD request was declined. --Ratekreel (talk) 11:18, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Civilizations in Babylon 5

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AFD to receive wider input if this needs a stand-alone article. In 2020, this civilization article got smerged into List_of_Babylon_5_characters (as part of a larger B5 cleanup move) for WP:INUNIVERSE and general WP:FANCRUFT problems to avoid AFD (the irony!), see original merge proposal. The article got reestablished today, I would nowadays label it as an undue WP:Content fork without established notability. Should it exist and develop from here (assuming sources even exist), or officially redirect back to List_of_Babylon_5_characters until it qualifies for WP:SPINOUT? – sgeureka ^t•c 13:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trim and merge back to the character list. There's sourcing there to support a few sentences about each of the major species but this can be condensed to a short section with the character list article. Most of the content is far more appropriate at a fan wiki. Masem (t) 14:01, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- It already was trimmed & merged. Did I miss something by accident back in 2020? – sgeureka ^t•c 14:06, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  In itscurrent state, the article still heavily relies on in universe info that is unsourced or sourced to the primary work. I am certain that we can better summarize the major sle ies from the show with se ondary sources without excessive in universe detail, hence the trim and merge to keep appropriate content. If there is an article recreation problem, salting can be done on the redirect. Masem (t) 14:58, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Reading back on the talkpages, it seems that the main reason for reestablishing this civ list lies with Shadow_(Babylon_5), which (understandably) isn't listed in the LoC and thus had no real target. However, 2019's Shadow_(Babylon_5) article doesn't look like it would survive AFD, so I feel that's either a non-issue or issue for WP:RFD. – sgeureka ^t•c 14:06, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Sgeureka: So what is the central argument for deletion here? Is it notability? If so, was a WP:BEFORE search done? What were the results?

Or is the main argument a WP:PAGEDECIDE one for a likely notable topic?

The original merge is quite justified in my view, as there were no objections to the proposal then. But I do understand that the lack of treatment of the Shadows is one concern, because I know there are secondary sources talking about them, even though they are neither worked into this article nor the old stand-alone one. I don't have an opinion yet on the merge, but I am against deletion, as I don't see a reason not to at least have the redirect as WP:AtD. I think the old merge discussion should have been continued instead of starting a deletion discussion. Pinging @Anonymous44: as involved editor.

With regard to notability, one first secondary source which has significant treatment on our topic here would be the Babylon 5 chapter of The Essential Science Fiction Television Reader, which discusses the four main "younger races", Shadows and Vorlons. Daranios (talk) 15:32, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Daranios: I am not arguing for deletion, but I want to ideally make the redirect (a common AFD result per WP:COMMON#Fiction) "stick" officially without tedious back-and-forth discussions with fans. Or get my wrist slapped here in the process. If proper merge discussions can be undone willy-nilly without addressing the original article issues (tagged for 12 years before the merger!), the lesson here will be to do AFD from the outset in the future instead of the softer merge proposal route, which I used to be a fan of. Notability is not the main reason why we are at AFD, but the article sure should be build around establishing it (it currently isn't). – sgeureka ^t•c 21:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sgeureka: I understand that starting an AfD has a higher chance of getting more opinions and a closure on the question of a stand-alone article as compared to a merge discussion on the talk page. But I also think that there are good reasons the deletion policy explicitely says not to use this process if one wants or suspects merging as an outcome. E.g. as you have put forward this being a WP:Contentfork as a reason for the nomination, deletion policy says "Reasons for deletion include ... 5. Content forks (unless a merger or redirect is appropriate)" (emphasis mine). Maybe to reduce frustration on the process in general I would like to point out that this is a bit of special case: Yes, you had started a merge discussion. Noone objected, so you were completely justified in going forward with the merge. But there were also no further opinions given, so one cannot speak of a consensus formed, which was "undone willy-nilly". Rather, we now have a second, opposing opinion, so at this point there is clearly a no consensus situation, and the provisional restoration of the list in my view is justified as well, based on the WP:Bold, revert, discuss cycle. I think "tedious back-and-forth discussions with fans", or rather, other Wikipedia editors, are the normal and reasonable, if inconvenient process at this point to reach an informed decision on the best course of action. It would be quite a different case if a solid consensus would have formed. Then there need to be good reasons and significant input to overthrow previous decisions, and there should be no "willy-nilly" "back-and-forth" about it. But this discussion needs to take place first. Now if the merge discussion would remain with only two opinions, which may happen at a talk page discussion even if is somewhat frustrating, I think there were to options: 50/50 opinion looks like no consensus, then things are left as they are for the time being. Or if you think you have the way better arguments, get a neutral third party to decide at Wikipedia:Closure requests, just as we have a neutral party closing a deletion discussion. We don't need the AfD process to achieve that. Daranios (talk) 15:28, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So here's the thing... I have plenty of dead-tree resources on Babylon 5, but no time to do anything much except for stave off AfDs:
- Bassom, D., & Straczynski, J. M. (1997a). Creating Babylon 5: Behind the scenes of Warner Bros. revolutionary deep space TV drama (1st American ed). Ballantine Books.
- Bassom, D., & Straczynski, J. M. (1997b). The A-Z of Babylon 5: [The complete reference guide to the groundbreaking sci-fi series] created by J. Michael Straczynski. Dell Publishing.
- Guffey, E. F., & Koontz, K. D. (2017). A dream given form: The unofficial guide to the universe of Babylon 5. ECW Press.
- Johnson-Smith, J. (2005). American science fiction TV: Star Trek, Stargate, and beyond. Wesleyan University Press.
- Lancaster, K. (2001). Interacting with Babylon 5: Fan performance in a media universe (1st ed). University of Texas Press.
- Lane, A. (1997). The Babylon file: The definitive unauthorized guide to J. Michael Straczynski’s TV series, Babylon 5. Virgin.
- Lane, A. (1999). The Babylon file: The definitive unauthorised guide to J. Michael Straczynski’s TV series Babylon 5. Vol. 2. Virgin.

There is absolutely enough in these books to support notability for an article on each episode of the series, as well as most things like the shadows as a civilization. How we deal with this is really dependent on how we, collectively, view WP:TIND, as I'd be lying if I said I thought I'd have time to work on this in the foreseeable future. Jclemens (talk) 17:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for now. Later we decide if a separate article is necessary. 21 Andromedae (talk) 00:20, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, echoing 21.Andromedae. With the secondary sources presented, the topic looks notable, and there would be enough material to solve the problems it has through normal editing, so deletion is not the way to go. I have no strong opinion if this is better kept as a stand-alone article or condensed as part of List of Babylon 5 characters for the time being. On the one hand it has been tagged for the problems for a long time, on the other I do think it would be better presented as a separate article in the long run. If it were to be covered in the characters list, some more should be added there. I can take a look at the Shadows in case this is kept. So like Jclemens, it depends on where we stand with regard to WP:TIND. I come out just on the keep side as an AfD outcome, not preculding further discussion on a merge on the talk page. Daranios (talk) 15:28, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CitizenLab

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Does not meet WP:ORG. Has been marked as problematic since 2020. Just summarizes the routine business activities of the company and its main offering. The awards do not contribute to notability as they lack articles themselves. I can't find sources with significant coverage of this company, like its particular influence on citizen engagement. 331dot (talk) 13:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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What I suggest you look into and are most welcome to integrate in the page:

Impact on engagement - all third-party sources where the company had no influence in what was put out:
Impact on engagement - company's own impact report, reporting on how it empowers the client community: https://impact2023.citizenlab.co/ Sören3300 (talk) 14:33, 17 October 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Sören3300 (talk • contribs) appears to have a close connection with the subject of the article being discussed. [reply]

The first two sources are primary sources- users of your company's offering. The third seems to be a directory listing with a description. The people powered Chile story might be okay, but that's only one. The rating is not as it's not significant coverage. The company's own reports are primary sources as well. 331dot (talk) 14:41, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@331dot IRCAI = International Research Centre on Artificial Intelligence (IRCAI) under the auspices of UNESCO, not just some directory listing website :) Sören3300 (talk) 14:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, but it's still not significant coverage that contributes to notability. Personally I never heard of IRCAI(not that's it's required I have heard of it) 331dot (talk) 14:47, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://wsa-global.org/wsa-awards/winners/#?year=2019&
https://etion.be/kennis/aline-muylaert-wietse-van-rans-beeck-winnen-etion-leadership-award
A former Obama administration official Beth Noveck is Chair of the board: https://www.lecho.be/entreprises/media-marketing/citizenlab-se-renforce-avec-une-ancienne-collaboratrice-d-obama/10241348.html

- one of the leading platforms in the space: https://democracy-technologies.org/participation/citizen-lab-platform/ Sören3300 (talk) 14:44, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The World Summit Awards have an article, so that works towards contributing towards notability(but the other awards listed should just be removed as they don't have articles). The award the founder received is for the founder, not the company itself. That's still two- we usually look for three with in-depth coverage. 331dot (talk) 14:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I didn't examine if they were press-release type articles. They seem to be interviews. 331dot (talk) 14:54, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Fails WP:NORG. Little in-depth coverage in independent, reliable sources. C F A 💬 14:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Very PROMO. The awards are non-notable, The sources given in the comment above are either primary, mentions only or PR items. I've tried .be websites, still only getting PR and their own web sites. Non-notable entity. Oaktree b (talk) 14:52, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note, the company rep seems to have elected to vanish rather than engage with us. 331dot (talk) 15:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It wasn't helpful when they keep posting PR links. Oaktree b (talk) 16:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For interest's sake, the article was created by a different (and undisclosed) paid rep. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:43, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - yet another advertisement for a SaaS-based startup. The sources (at least, the ones I can actually get to load or past the paywall) do not indicate this passes WP:GNG. ASUKITE 18:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom Cos ^{(X + Z)} 18:38, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Priyamvad

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Doesn't seem to be notable. I'm unable to find any coverage. Fails WP:BIO. --Ratekreel (talk) 13:19, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nambiar Builders

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Does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NCORP Polygnotus (talk) 12:31, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Response The subject of this article meets the **General Notability Guideline (WP:GNG)** and **Notability for Companies (WP:NCORP)** based on multiple independent, reliable sources. The following references provide significant coverage beyond trivial mentions:
1. [It’s raining deals at the Great Times Property Festival](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/its-raining-deals-at-the-great-times-property-festival/articleshow/74076948.cms) – The Times of India

2. [Enphase India and U-Solar install rooftop PV plants in Bengaluru](https://www.energetica-india.net/news/enphase-india-and-u-solar-install-rooftop-pv-plants-in-bengaluru) – Energetica India

3. [Koramangala-based web start-up HomeBuy360 hits home run in real estate](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/south/koramangala-based-web-start-up-homebuy360-com-hits-home-run-in-real-estate/articleshow/13642201.cms?from=mdr) – The Economic Times

4. [Six reasons why you should watch 'Khasaakinte Itihaasam' play in Bengaluru](https://www.thenewsminute.com/features/six-reasons-why-you-should-watch-khasaakinte-itihaasam-play-bengaluru-42360) – The News Minute

5. [Enphase looks to tap 10% of rooftop market in next 2 years](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/enphase-looks-to-tap-10-of-rooftop-market-in-next-2-years/articleshow/89906198.cms?from=mdr) – The Economic Times

These sources demonstrate significant independent coverage, meeting the requirements of **WP:GNG** by showing that the subject has received attention from reputable publications. Additionally, since the article is about a business, it aligns with **WP:NCORP** by having multiple third-party sources, not limited to press releases or company announcements.
I believe the article merits retention based on these references and respectfully request that it not be deleted. Sanyam (talk) 13:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have reformatted the above reply a bit to make further discussion easier. Skynxnex (talk) 15:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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keep The content appears to be detailed and written in a neutral tone, aligning with Wikipedia’s guidelines for neutrality and verifiability. The article provides substantial information relevant to the topic, and there is no indication of promotional bias. Additionally, the references cited seem appropriate and support the article’s claims. Therefore, I believe the article should be retained. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:FF20:817D:C950:BE55:DCAD:14C7 (talk) 20:41, 17 October 2024 (UTC) — 2607:FEA8:FF20:817D:C950:BE55:DCAD:14C7 (talk · contribs) has only contributed to the article(s) under discussion for deletion and this XFD page. Polygnotus (talk) 04:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retain The article should be retained as it has received link in from prominent celebrities such as K S Chithra,Sharreth and K K Nishad.Relation to such well-known public figures demonstrate the subject’s notability and relevance. These acknowledgments also contribute to the subject's significance and public interest, aligning with Wikipedia’s notability guidelines. --Divyajain85 (talk) 16:00, 18 October 2024 (UTC) — Divyajain85 (talk · contribs) has only contributed to the article(s) under discussion for deletion and this XFD page. Polygnotus (talk) 16:36, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Corvigo

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There doesn't seem to be much coverage of this company outside of trade journals. The NYT article mentions the company a few times but does not address it directly in much if any detail. CNN is one single namedrop. I can't see any way of meeting all four criteria of WP:ORGCRIT with multiple sources, unfortunately. Previously deleted by PROD in 2006. Alpha3031 (t • c) 07:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Tumbleweed Communications. DigitalIceAge (talk) 15:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Just for the record, I am not opposed to redirection as an ATD (and would have WP:BLARed had there not been a previous PROD) but I don't believe there is anything that is appropriate to merge. Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Akhtar Usman

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The BLP was created in the main namespace and later draftified by Maliner. The creator then submitted it for review, but later unilaterally moved the BLP back to the main namespace, to avoid AFC review process. So I feel compelled to take this to AFD so the community can decide whether it should remain or be deleted. IMO, it fails both GNG and NAUTHOR, as none of the works are notable enough. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Agreed per nom. Clearly fails GNG and NAUTHOR Wikibear47 (talk) 07:02, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Xuemin Lin

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As the subject of this page, I respectfully request its removal. Given that Wikipedia allows anyone to edit content without my approval, I have concerns about potential inaccuracies or misrepresentations. Therefore, I prefer that my personal information not be displayed or managed in this way, and I hope this request can be granted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aumuja (talk • contribs) 01:13, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The Academia Europea implies notability. The Gscholar profile for this individual shows over 24,000 citations, which I think is also notable. Easy pass at PROF or academic notability. Oaktree b (talk) 14:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Assuming per WP:AGF that this is a valid WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE, that is only valid for a borderline case. This is not a borderline case. This stub consists of only four claims, none of which is personal information and all of which are easily verified, all four of which would individually be enough for notability: named or distinguished professorships at two different major universities, and fellow of two major academic societies for which this level of membership is a significant honor. Double pass of WP:PROF #C3 and #C5, as well as the pass of #C1 suggested by his Google Scholar profile. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:24, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Speedy keep per WP:CSK#1: I concur with David Eppstein. The premise of WP:BIODELETE requires a lack of consensus to keep the article, meaning it must fail notability guidelines before deletion is considered. This nomination statement did not address how that would be the case at all, while the comments from Oaktree b and David Eppstein have already demonstrated otherwise. It is even more puzzling that the teaching positions, memberships, and research progress are all publicly accessible, regardless of whether this Wikipedia article exists, these details would still be available online. I do not think this is a reasonable deletion request. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 19:16, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I believe the "concerns about potential inaccuracies or misrepresentations" stem from a sentence that used to be in the article, but was removed. Geschichte (talk) 20:32, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. Out of an abundance of caution I have suppressed the revisions containing that sentence, which consisted of generic fear-mongering about Chinese scholars in Australia. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:15, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not have the user rights to view the content of the deleted version. Based on David's summary, it seems to be related to defamation of the subject rather than the disclosure of their public personal details. (Correct me if I misunderstood.) In this case, the subject should file their case at WP:RFO to request the suppression of the defamation claims, rather than having the entire article deleted. (and since David has already taken this step, perhaps we can consider the nominator's concerns alleviated and the deletion rationale resolved.) —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 13:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. Agree with above points: if notability is somewhat marginal, then we should honor the wishes of the subject, but I don't see anything marginal here. Being Fellow of the IEEE is particularly a bright line pass of NPROF. "Weak" only because I do give some weight to the wishes of the subject. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 07:38, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vexxed

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Does not meet WP:GNG, article is mostly nonsense Polygnotus (talk) 11:10, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unsure if this is about the same person [13], but there is a lack of sourcing. Sources now in the article are Yellow (iffy per Cite Highlighter) and red (non-RS). I don't see enough to keep the article. Oaktree b (talk) 14:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Oaktree b: that is about a Dutch hardstyle producer (Dijck Dessens), not an Irish youtuber (Patrick Rea). Polygnotus (talk) 15:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of royal visits to Worthing

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Fancruft and WP:OR, does not pass WP:GNG Polygnotus (talk) 10:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Plentifully sourced to reliable books... Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 11:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hassocks5489: But is the topic of those books "all royal visits to Worthing"? Polygnotus (talk) 11:24, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not a whole book, but a whole section in Elleray (1998) is titled ... "Royal Visits". Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 11:48, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So there is no in-depth sustained significant independent coverage of the topic of the article and it does not meet GNG. Since you have access to the source, can you please look up if the claim I am talking about below is indeed SYNTH or if it is made in the book and post the quote here? Thanks! Polygnotus (talk) 11:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hassocks5489: Sorry, I forgot to ping. Polygnotus (talk) 12:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Royal visits are always well-documented. Every local history will document the royals who arrive, and every action of a specific royal will get documented in court circulars etc., but for a stand-alone list we need specific sources that show Worthing as having a special status as a royal destination, different to, say, Manchester, which has probably also been visited by many royals at many times. The fact that the royals are notable, and that Worthing is notable, doesn't mean that the conjunction of the two is notable. Elemimele (talk) 11:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Worthing Don't think it's notable enough for its own article, but makes sense as part of Worthing's. Bluepotato81 (talk) 11:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Especially since from what I can tell from the article, the visit of Princess Amelia had a significant impact on Worthing's development. I think the list should be deleted or heavily cut, though. Bluepotato81 (talk) 11:44, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The way its phrased in the article feels very WP:SYNTHy, not sure the source supports that and I am not sure the source is even reliable. The idea that one child spends a couple of months on the coast and that because of that local authorities spent the next ten years developing Worthing as a high-class seaside resort and spa town, with amenities designed to attract fashionable visitors is suspicious. Much more likely that the child was sent to a place that was already a resort/spa and that was later developed into something bigger and better, something that was already happening and would've happened anyway. Polygnotus (talk) 11:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sibylle Eschapasse

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The article is sourced to blogs and the UN's website. As far as I'm aware working for the UN does not form part of any alternative notability criteria and the primary sources cited here don't cover this subject in any significant depth and don't support WP:ANYBIO 𝔓^420°𝔓^Holla 10:15, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Marketing Group

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There has been some coverage of this organisation's IPO in Reuters but it's essentially a first-hand account of the event and is therefore a primary source Kaptain Kebab Heart (talk) 09:18, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thomas Farley (manners expert)

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None of the references provide anything close to in-depth, independent, secondary coverage about Farley. Yes he has appeard on TV and has written for or been quoted in newspapers, but that's not what WP:NBIO calls for. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:12, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Korea Life Insurance Association

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No significant coverage; I managed to find occasional trivial mentions only. 美しい歌 (talk) 08:27, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep; lot of coverage in Korean. [14][15][16][17][18][19] and much more. If you haven't, please try searching in the native language of articles before nominating for deletion seefooddiet (talk) 23:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Liam Waite

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His credits don't satisfy WP:NACTOR (a significant role in Ghosts of Mars and 12 episodes of some TV series called Flatland), and he can't inherit notability from his relationship with Natasha Henstridge. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:43, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cancelled (podcast)

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Reliability of sources is questionable, and otherwise unsuitable to be considered SIGCOV. Especially concerning given that this is sufficiently BLP-adjacent that the policy likely binds us. Even worse, the article text actually only bears the barest resemblance to the contents of the nearest footnotes, if even that, and the tone is such that even had we the sources to write a proper article, we may be best to start from scratch. The bluelinked hosts preclude A7, but perhaps G11 should be seriously considered. Alpha3031 (t • c) 10:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kwality Wall's

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doesn't have enough reliable sources to prove that the brand is significant or notable in the ice cream market Slarticlos (talk) 07:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Absolutely notable. Try reading this source for a name. It has gained WP:SIGCOV for ages. Lorstaking (talk) 05:36, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Highly notable and has gained widespread significant coverage as visible from here and here. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 07:37, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Karelian Bobtail

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Cannot find any independent sigcov. The mentions I can find are so brief and vague I can't even be sure they've not just simply misspelt Kurilian Bobtail. Traumnovelle (talk) 09:36, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Not the original editor for this article, I'm the one who added it to the list of cat breeds article. Karelian Bobtails are rare breed and mostly in rural villages. There are a handful of breeders in the Republic and Leningrad Oblast. Breeding is difficult because of the recessive gene. All original information online is in Russian, and a bit in Suvi. If you give me a couple weeks I can perhaps contact some people to see if they have the original research and documents from the 90s. I can't do this immediately though as I have field work for the next couple weeks.

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I don't dispute the breed exists, just that there is not enough independent secondary coverage for a stand alone article. I do not mind waiting for you to look for sources but if they're original research and primary documents that aren't published they are not useful for Wikipedia. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:19, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Just to note I have no opposition to a redirect to List of cat breeds where the subject is also mentioned. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2006 Kawasaki Frontale season

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AFD’ing this because redirecting season articles to the club is not a thing we do, i.e. the redirect is not useful. The page was rightfully prodded by ViridianPenguin and Spiderone, as the page failed WP:NOTSTATS; a season page that barely had some information entered, no lead etc, so no reason to preserve the page history either. The creator is blocked indefinitely. Geschichte (talk) 07:58, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Masayoshi Takayanagi

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Huge failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played a couple of football matches. No usable sources in ja:wiki, is it apparent for everyone that they are exclusively WP:PRIMARY (or too short, as #1). Creator is globally locked. Geschichte (talk) 07:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mario Kame

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Never played in Albania’s highest league, continued for a couple years in the semi-pro second tier. I did not find a single usable source in a WP:BEFORE. Geschichte (talk) 08:01, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 13:24, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2023 Jet Rescue Air Ambulance Learjet 35 crash

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:EVENT: not notable under WP:EVENTCRIT #4, no WP:LASTING effects, no WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:15, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: There is multiple other accidents involving no continued coverage, but I don't care if it gets deleted. I just think that why would the draft be accepted just to get deleted. I tried to put in effort, but whatever I guess. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 02:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Understandable. I do not mean anything by this, but if you are going to make an article attempt to pick more notable and well sourced topics. The reason it is being deleted is not out of spite or hate, it is because it's a non notable crash that underwent no sustained coverage and had no lasting effects. Yet again, if this is deleted, i am sorry. @Bloxzge 025 Lolzer3k 17:57, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Cuernavaca Airport. Per longstanding WP:AV consensus, this is the appropriate place for air crashes that took place at or near an airport and have insufficient standalone notability. Carguychris (talk) 13:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

•Delete I have been eyeing this article for a while. Standard low fatality run of the mill crash with no sustained coverage nor notable or lasting effects. @Rosbif73 Lolzer3k 14:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen others with no notable or lasting effects Bloxzge 025 (talk) 20:00, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History of Mozilla Thunderbird

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Significant violations of WP:NOTCHANGELOG, and I have reason to believe it also violates WP:UNDUE due to the article's documenting of all versions of Thunderbird, including every single beta version. Without the table, there is not enough content to justify the article's existence, at least currently. It also has longstanding issues, including a lack of reliable, high-quality, secondary sources as almost every single source is just a link to Mozilla's own release notes, which is in incredibly heavy primary source territory. I feel like so much focus has been put on filling out the table that it has been to the detriment of the article as a whole. - Evelyn Harthbrooke (leave a message · contributions) 07:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge into Mozilla Thunderbird#History and development per nom, release history table should not be included in main article. मल्ल (talk) 20:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indian Public Health Association

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lacks enough reliable information showing that it is important or significant Slarticlos (talk) 07:01, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep it is often hard to find in depth coverage of national professional associations because they operate in a quality controlled walled garden. They don’t generate much chatter in the mainstream press and they own the specialist outlets. They’re much larger than the UK’s Royal Society for Public Health and probably more active. Mccapra (talk) 19:23, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mazhanoolkkanavu

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PROD removed with statement "Google/English language websearch is not good for Malayalam culture". If that is the case, why is it that Google Malayalam also yields nothing [20]. Changing the year parameter to today yields an unrelated music video of a similar name. Please find a review or two before keeping this. DareshMohan (talk) 06:23, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If we can be sure this was released, with a solid source, I might support a redirect to List of Malayalam films of 2003 (or to Augustine's filmography?) because the cast is rather notable. But we have only IMDb and the other Db to prove it. Is that enough? -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:55, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:NFILM. Fails significant coverage WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. If anyone can find secondary independent reliable sources with significant coverage and two or more reviews from known critics, let me know and I will reconsider my vote. RangersRus (talk) 13:39, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It is impossible to just do a general search to find sources due to the way sources are archived. Best to check the Sify [21], Indiainfo [22], and Keralatalkies [23] reviews. A quick ctrl-f finds nothing. DareshMohan (talk) 05:53, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Malayalam films of 2003: and add another source for verification (https://www.tvguide.com/movies/mazhanoolkkanavu/2030225744/) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:36, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dogspot

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Per WP:NSUSTAINED Brief bursts of news coverage may not sufficiently demonstrate notability. The coverage is centered on it receiving some investment from a notable Indian businessman in 2016. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH. — hako9 (talk) 06:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No significant coverage in any of the cited sources. Ratnahastin (talk) 05:08, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: There doesn't seem to be significant coverage. A majority of the sources are coverage from a single day about someone investing in the business, and that's all I can find. --Brocade River Poems (She/They) 08:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Research on tornadoes in 2024

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This is a niche topic that fails WP:N and is likely WP:LISTCRUFT. Nothing is inherently notable about routine tornado research that requires a Wikipedia article to be written about it. United States Man (talk) 05:51, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or Merge — Several RS articles written about tornadic research this year: [24][25][26][27][28][29][30][31][32][33][34][35][36][37][38][39][40][41][42][43][44][45][46][47]. Several lists are similar to this one including 2024 in climate change. Key to note, this article is a split from a parent article, History of tornado research. The 2024 article is nearly half the size of the parent article. So no matter what, deletion should never have been proposed, given it is a split-off article from the parent article…a merge proposal would have been better either into the parent history article or Tornadoes of 2024, which has a research section linking to this article as the “main”. That said, I think it has clearly enough RS and peer-reviewed secondary sources to back up notability. If consensus was falling more in line with a merge or deletion, I would support a merge over deletion. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:01, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: This article looks like someone typed "tornado" into Web of Science, with "2024" as the publication year, and wrote a brief summary of the abstract of every single paper that came up. Completely indiscriminate collection of routine, incremental research findings that nowhere is discussed in the aggregate as a particularly notable topic. As for it being spun off from History of tornado research, it never should have been put in that article in the first place. Wikipedia is supposed to summarize the world's knowledge, not archive the world's press releases and abstracts. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 11:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~: WP:LISTCRUFT.

On second thought, I wouldn't mind a merge. Sir MemeGod  13:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At the very least I would support a merge into History of tornado research#2024. Procyon117 (talk) 16:06, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per User:WeatherWriter. I see no net benefit for the encyclopedia by deleting it. It could be trimmed and organized a bit, perhaps.--cyclopia ^speak! 14:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or Merge. 2024 at least deserves a section on History of tornado research. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 13:19, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to History of tornado research. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:29, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to History of tornado research. This article meets at least two criteria for WP:LISTCRUFT (#1 and #2). At best, it can be trimmed and some of the information merged into the other article. Keeping it would invite an article for 2025 and 2026 and 2027 ad infinitum. Such articles are not needed as WP:STANDALONE - expanding the original article will be enough. DesiMoore (talk) 15:38, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moriah Aviation Training Centre

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Fails GNG. 3 sources are distance calculators or google maps. The 5th source is its own website. Lacking third party coverage. LibStar (talk) 05:05, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, fails WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:PROMO. (I'm going to promo tag it.) Carguychris (talk) 13:56, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stanford Super Series

Not enoungh coverage on independent sources, Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 03:41, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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same reason as well. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 03:43, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - it had it's own sub-category on The Guardian with 134 pages, plenty on Cricinfo, Cricbuzz and lengthy piece in Wisden. As it only ran for one year there may be an argument to merge the 2008 article into the main article. JP (Talk) 08:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do agree with the coverage for the parent article, but the 2008 one should be merged. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 08:28, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Jpeeling, merge 2008 into it. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:35, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and merge 2008 The investment, then de-investment because of Stanford's fraud makes this a very proper article in the recent modern history of cricket. Nate • (chatter) 20:12, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Back in the way this was a very important scandal in English cricket. The series and subsequent controversy received widespread coverage. Sadly, the ECB haven't learnt from this and have embarked on another ill-advised and doomed venture. AA (talk) 22:07, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2008 Egyptian bus accident

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Lacks sustained coverage and had no lasting effects. Just a WP:News article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Good grief. Fails everything from WP:GNG to WP:LASTING and WP:NOTNEWS and all points inbetween. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Just imagine if an accident that killed 55 people that happened in the UK or USA was nominated for deletion! Clearly WP:SYSTEMIC. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:40, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per WP:EVENTCRIT and WP:NOTNEWS: Whilst tragic, with the casualty count being high, significant or in-depth sustained continued coverage of the event seems to be lacking along with demonstrable lasting effects. WP:EVENTCRIT#4 states that routine kinds of news events including most accidents – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance, which this event also lacks. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 12:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It's a horrific thing to contemplate that a road accident killing 55 anywhere in the world wouldn't be notable. We've got little to go on, there are news reports but little ongoing coverage. That said, I don't read Arabic, it seems likely that there would be sustained non-English coverage. I'm going to say unsure in that I would hope that there was more than I'm seeing. JMWt (talk) 09:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Rainbow Rumble episodes

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Problematic list article. An English Wikipedia article should not be an indiscriminate list of episodes that have no lasting impact; as per one editor in this discussion thread I started regarding this list article, there are no dynamic narratives for episodes of game shows that can satisfy a separate article (game shows somehow fall under the WP:ROUTINE category of TV programming). On top of that, much of the sources used for this article are WP:NIS (like ABS-CBN Entertainment) and WP:SOCIALMEDIA (like Instagram, see WP:RSPINSTAGRAM).

List may also lean towards WP:FANCRUFT as the episodes overview section, with very-detailed info on the highest winning bracket of each contestant more fit on Philippine showbiz fandom websites than English Wikipedia. In short, unlikely encyclopedic in nature.

At the very least, it can be merged with Rainbow Rumble#Episodes but focusing on salient details: episode date, team name, contestants (in an inline enumerated list, not a bulleted, vertical list that unnecessarily consumes article page height), and the episode winner. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 02:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support per nom. Borgenland (talk) 03:31, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. We've had more than enough cringy fancruft here that needs abridging if not excising. Blake Gripling (talk) 04:16, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Not every episode is significant or notable enough to be detailed on this scale; the list simply acts like an episode database for the show. AstrooKai (Talk) 09:29, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree that it is a fancruft at best. Azuredivay (talk) 15:01, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lavangsdalen bus accident

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Lacks sustained coverage and had no lasting effects. Just a WP:News article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There was coverage a year after, and then some mentions here and there in years to come. Probably not very sustained. ~~I'm interested in repurposing the article to an article about the location, Lavangsdalen~~. Geschichte (talk) 06:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Lavangsdalen. This is a valley known for one thing first and foremost: road accidents. I have created the article, chronicling the modern accidents and outlining the hundreds of millions that have subsequently been spent on hightened safety. The bus accident where 5 died was the largest one, but still part of a broader pattern of accidents. Geschichte (talk) 08:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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New Era, Indiana

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Another Indiana rail-spot/post-office with nothing there. Not a notable place. Mangoe (talk) 02:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Liz Neeley

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Neeley is an accomplished woman but is not encyclopedically notable. There isn't much secondary coverage of her nor she does not pass WP:NACADEMIC. Mooonswimmer 01:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete. I see little sign of NPROF, with only one highly cited paper that is also very highly coauthored. I am skeptical of GNG -- the NPR piece is somewhat substantial, but the other pieces are either primary (usually authored by the subject) or else do not mention her. The book has gotten some reviews, but these do not list her as an author [48][49]. I considered a redirect to the Story Collider, but as she has moved on from that organization, that doesn't seem to make so much sense. I think this is probably a bit WP:TOOSOON. Watchlisting in case I have missed something. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 10:50, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Is this the same person: [50]. a citation factor of 10 or 11 doesn't seem that high, but I'm unsure. Oaktree b (talk) 15:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep: Might pass AUTHOR, with some book reviews for "Escape from the Ivory Tower", [51], [52], [53]. Oaktree b (talk) 15:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But all three of those say that the book is by Nancy Baron, and do not mention Neeley. Baron does thank Neeley in the acknowledgements (alongside a lot of other folks). Russ Woodroofe (talk) 16:06, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just came to the same conclusion that she did not write the book (and reverted myself when I added one review to Neeley's article) DaffodilOcean (talk) 16:12, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep There are at least four sources I found in the article for WP:GNG. I'm listing them up here for ease of access. The first one has the most coverage of the subject; the other three are more than just passing mention but less than significant coverage. Nnev66 (talk) 20:59, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1. "Your Brain On Storytelling : Short Wave". NPR.org. January 14, 2020.
2. Wilcox, Christie; Brookshire, Bethany; Goldman, Jason G (2016). Science blogging: the essential guide. Yale University Press. ISBN 978-0300197556. OCLC 920017519.
3. Achenbach, Joel (2023-04-09). "Opinion | Why science is so hard to believe". Washington Post. ISSN 0190-8286. ProQuest 1655455709.
4. Renken, Elena (11 April 2020). "How Stories Connect And Persuade Us: Unleashing The Brain Power Of Narrative". NPR.org.
Delete. Coverage by the subject themselves, as in the NPR interviews, is not independent or secondary, so does not count towards GNG. She is one of the authors of the science blogging guide so that is not an independent reference either. The WP article has no encyclopedic coverage of her, just quotes and an anecdote about her dad that would be UNDUE. These are not substantial enough for NPROF C7 and definitely not for GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 23:00, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep I agree with @Nnev66 that she has just enough NPR articles/podcasts for WP:GNG. I think the Short Wave podcast would be enough. Bpuddin (talk) 06:54, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Disagree that the sources @Nnev66 highlighted don't contribute to GNG; she's being included in them as an expert on science communication, not just a general interview about her or her work. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 13:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Men Who Lost China

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Similar to the recently deleted article on The World Without US by the same filmmaker, no signs of significant coverage. The article's current sourcing is not independent or significant, and I could not find any signs of further coverage after an online search (given that the film has less than 100,000 views on YouTube, I doubt that coverage exists). RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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China's Century of Humiliation

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Similar to the recently deleted article on The World Without US by the same filmmaker, no signs of significant coverage. The article's current sourcing is not independent or significant, and the best I found from a Google search is a forum review, which is not significant. RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:28, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The forum review the nom mentions is about all I can find as well. I think if we had more reviews, this might be a weak keep, but there aren't any. Oaktree b (talk) 15:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Roger Jones (physicist)

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Massive conflict of interest issues with a good amount of the edits coming from the subject of the article himself. Some of the sources appear to be dead. Any other sources don't even mention him, focusing more on the actual companies he claimed to have some involvement in. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 01:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment the article is bad; mostly unsourced and with promotional language. I can't access reference 7 (WSJ 1999/03/12) which might be non-trivial coverage of him, or might just be a mention of him while discussing his (and other) companies. The Wired reference ("Greetings from the Info Mesa") is only a trivial mention of him. According to a Google search, he was most recently affiliated with the Center for Complex Systems and Enterprises at Stevens Institute of Technology; he might have retired because I don't see a current faculty bio. If no additional sources are presented, this should be deleted. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:41, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and TNT. The list of issues are legion: created by an admitted paid marketer, edited by the subject, a BLP with whole sections unsourced, not inherited problems. Bearian (talk) 03:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tasjil

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Articles for deletion/Tasjil

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Not notable. No significant coverage. References only give a paragraph or so mentioning something similar, but only one uses the translation of tasjil. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 01:04, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Agreed no coverage in most all reliable sources. Very obscure term.Smkolins (talk) 06:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly oppose as the creator. In contrast to the nominator's claim, there are three sources in the article that specifically use the word "Tasjil" (Amanat 2009, Naficy 2011 and Pirnazar 2019) and all of them are scholarly. The book Historical Dictionary of the Bahá'í Faith has an entry for the process under the title 'DECLARATION OF BELIEF OR ACCEPTANCE' (translating the word "Tasjil" to Acceptance) and another reliable source (Neusner 2003) dedicates almost two full pages to a detailed description of its stages (titled 'Who is considered a Baháʼí?'), while a certain case in Africa, Samuel Kima of Cameroon, is mentioned in several pages of an academic book published by the renowned Brill Publishers (Lee 2011). These are only a handful of sources and I believe this is a proof that this topic is notable. Khánum Gül (talk) 13:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please note that there is a bahaipedia entry for this topic as well. Khánum Gül (talk) 15:53, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please see WP:GNG and WP:DICTIONARY. One problem is that you created the title in Arabic for a process that is not known in English by its Arabic name. The content is probably most suited for Baháʼí teaching plans#Baháʼí terminology with a section on "Declaration" or similar. Both of the other sections (Pioneering and Entry by troops) previously has their own articles and were consolidated into that page. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 16:58, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your first objection concerns naming, which is not the focus of this discussion. I have no issue with a title like "Baháʼí Enrollment Process" (or something similar) and a mention of its name in the original scripture of the faith, "Tasjil," in the article's lead. However, I still disagree with your assertion that this topic is not notable, as it has been significantly covered by multiple academic sources in great detail. I have added another source (van den Hoonaard 1996), which provides an extensive discussion of the practice in Canada, examining various cases. Khánum Gül (talk) 08:00, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Edward Katongole-Mbidde

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Fails WP:BIO. 1 of the 2 supplied sources is primary. Could not find significant coverage of this individual. LibStar (talk) 01:05, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:NACADEMIC. This article establishes him as the only oncologist at the Uganda Cancer Institute in 2004. And is now director of the UVRI. Both of which have close relationships with other high standing research institutions (e.g. World Health Org). I would say this falls under WP:NACADEMIC#C5. He also received a lifetime recognition award at a scientific conference giving support to other NACADEMIC points. He also has decent citations on papers based on a quick glance, particularly for someone working in a smaller country. I'll see what else I can pull up for sources. Cyanochic (talk) 03:26, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. SiniyaEdita (talk) 10:12, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:JUSTAVOTE. LibStar (talk) 04:40, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Centre FORA

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Non-notable organization. BEFORE search leads to nothing, failing GNG and NORG. Kline • talk • contribs 00:56, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Felo Barkere

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there's nothing that mentions Felo Barkere and Baunez Ridge together that isn't Eric Gilbertson related/sourced. This location doesn't appear to meet WP:NGEO. Graywalls (talk) 00:02, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles like Bikku Bitti have used peakbagger and summitpost blogs as a source, so what's the difference with this article? Any highest point of a sovereign nation should have its article on Wikipedia or at least be mentioned. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 11:13, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes people like Eric or Ginge are the only source of information on peaks like this. Allowing one highpointer's firsthand information (like Ginge on Bikku Bitti) but not allowing Eric's on Felo Barkere seems strange and inconsistent by WP policy. Also, peakbagger has extensively been used as a source for minor mountains (which Felo Barkere would fall under), so what is the sudden change against this? Also, peaks promoted to the main database on peakbagger are looked over and verified by administrators, so some "child sitting on his dad's shoulder" won't be messing up the measurement by 5-6 feet on a peak in the main database as much of the data comes from professionally done surveys. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 11:20, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and by delete I probably mean redirect somewhere. I think I'm very permissive when it comes to geographical place names, but I don't see anything here which passes WP:NGEO's permissive rule of provided information beyond statistics and coordinates is known to exist. The only other Wikipedia which even mentions it that I could find is Czech, which calls it "nameless hill." It's clearly more than a hill, but I can't find anything to add to the article. SportingFlyer T·C 00:45, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe redirect to Geography of Senegal#Physical features, which can have a mention of Felo Barkere / Baunez Ridge? KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 01:09, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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